Comments on: Turkish Fans Go to a Political Rally and a Soccer Game Breaks Out http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/10/31/turkish-fans-go-to-a-political-rally-and-a-soccer-game-breaks-out-2/ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:48:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Furio http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/10/31/turkish-fans-go-to-a-political-rally-and-a-soccer-game-breaks-out-2/#comment-46949 Furio Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:56:09 +0000 http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/10/31/turkish-fans-go-to-a-political-rally-and-a-soccer-game-breaks-out-2/#comment-46949 Dear friends, PKK didnt killed just 15 soldiers. PKK killed 30.000 people includes civilians as engineers, teachers, imams(prayer), public servants... Can you imagine 30.000 people!... In Turkiye(Turkey) everybody can speak any language as the same as US or England or anywhere that possible.. Every people has the same rights. I mean there is no classes of citizens. That means every citizen but everyone... But Kurdish terrorists doesent want anyone to have educated or any cultural thing to have kurdish people. they dont interest about them. they just want to control heroine and weapon trade traffic. The main matter is that. So dont believe any lies of terrorists please... Note for Lisa: The leader who made genocide to kurdish people is Saddam Hussein from Iraq not Ataturk. Please read the objective historians... At the and, we want peace at home and at the world. And we are proud to be Turkish. We have roots far from Asia for thousands years. We live in peace in anatolia but if needed we may sacrifice all our blood for our holly red flag. You may read example of this at dardanelles wars.. Dear friends, PKK didnt killed just 15 soldiers. PKK killed 30.000 people includes civilians as engineers, teachers, imams(prayer), public servants… Can you imagine 30.000 people!… In Turkiye(Turkey) everybody can speak any language as the same as US or England or anywhere that possible.. Every people has the same rights. I mean there is no classes of citizens. That means every citizen but everyone… But Kurdish terrorists doesent want anyone to have educated or any cultural thing to have kurdish people. they dont interest about them. they just want to control heroine and weapon trade traffic. The main matter is that. So dont believe any lies of terrorists please… Note for Lisa: The leader who made genocide to kurdish people is Saddam Hussein from Iraq not Ataturk. Please read the objective historians…
At the and, we want peace at home and at the world. And we are proud to be Turkish. We have roots far from Asia for thousands years. We live in peace in anatolia but if needed we may sacrifice all our blood for our holly red flag. You may read example of this at dardanelles wars..

]]> By: Lisa London http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/10/31/turkish-fans-go-to-a-political-rally-and-a-soccer-game-breaks-out-2/#comment-30466 Lisa London Mon, 16 Jun 2008 03:57:57 +0000 http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/10/31/turkish-fans-go-to-a-political-rally-and-a-soccer-game-breaks-out-2/#comment-30466 I find it amazing how turkish people spin things their way. It may be true that the "PKK" killed 15 turkish soldiers & thats totally wrong but how many kurds have turkey killed??????? I mean come on!! have you people forgotten ataturk & the somewhat 60,000 kurds he murdered (which included kids & pregnant women)??? I dont mean to go political but turkish people just cant see their own crimes yet cry the minute blood is shed from their people. maybe if you stop oppressing the kurds, they can stop attacking you. let them speak their own language & practice their own culture... is it so hard?? karma!!! I find it amazing how turkish people spin things their way. It may be true that the “PKK” killed 15 turkish soldiers & thats totally wrong but how many kurds have turkey killed??????? I mean come on!! have you people forgotten ataturk & the somewhat 60,000 kurds he murdered (which included kids & pregnant women)???
I dont mean to go political but turkish people just cant see their own crimes yet cry the minute blood is shed from their people. maybe if you stop oppressing the kurds, they can stop attacking you. let them speak their own language & practice their own culture… is it so hard?? karma!!!

]]> By: Adam http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/10/31/turkish-fans-go-to-a-political-rally-and-a-soccer-game-breaks-out-2/#comment-4739 Adam Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:05:27 +0000 http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/10/31/turkish-fans-go-to-a-political-rally-and-a-soccer-game-breaks-out-2/#comment-4739 This is my first time to your blog and it has very quickly become one of my favorites. That piece about soccer in the Atacama was especially nice. Many thanks the the links to The Other Final and the work of Hans van der Meer. Keep up the quality work. This is my first time to your blog and it has very quickly become one of my favorites. That piece about soccer in the Atacama was especially nice. Many thanks the the links to The Other Final and the work of Hans van der Meer. Keep up the quality work.

]]> By: David http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/10/31/turkish-fans-go-to-a-political-rally-and-a-soccer-game-breaks-out-2/#comment-4709 David Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:32:41 +0000 http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/10/31/turkish-fans-go-to-a-political-rally-and-a-soccer-game-breaks-out-2/#comment-4709 seanachie - You are completely right. Thank you for pointing out that mistake, which was made completely by me, not by Asher. I've fixed it above. seanachie - You are completely right. Thank you for pointing out that mistake, which was made completely by me, not by Asher. I’ve fixed it above.

]]> By: seanachie http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/10/31/turkish-fans-go-to-a-political-rally-and-a-soccer-game-breaks-out-2/#comment-4689 seanachie Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:48:09 +0000 http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/10/31/turkish-fans-go-to-a-political-rally-and-a-soccer-game-breaks-out-2/#comment-4689 Asher went to the game (which Greece won 1-0, their first ever victory over Turkey, who had little motivation since they had no chance of qualifying for Euro 2008) and sent me this account of what he saw. I don't know where you've been getting your information but a quick glance at the Group C standings shows that Turkey, in third place, two points behind Norway, STILL have a good chance of qualifying, albeit needing a win in Oslo in two weeks time. Which means Turkey had every motivation to win the game against Greece. Asher went to the game (which Greece won 1-0, their first ever victory over Turkey, who had little motivation since they had no chance of qualifying for Euro 2008) and sent me this account of what he saw.

I don’t know where you’ve been getting your information but a quick glance at the Group C standings shows that Turkey, in third place, two points behind Norway, STILL have a good chance of qualifying, albeit needing a win in Oslo in two weeks time. Which means Turkey had every motivation to win the game against Greece.

]]> By: Jason.Burke,Murphy http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/10/31/turkish-fans-go-to-a-political-rally-and-a-soccer-game-breaks-out-2/#comment-4654 Jason.Burke,Murphy Thu, 01 Nov 2007 01:24:20 +0000 http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/10/31/turkish-fans-go-to-a-political-rally-and-a-soccer-game-breaks-out-2/#comment-4654 My understanding is that this enthusiasm did not result in hostile acts against visiting fans. Besiktas is a nationalist club. In the US, we associate secularism with a neutral stance towards relgion. In Turkey, secularism is tied up with republicanism, egalitarianism, militarism, nationalism, and "Turkishness". I would not call it fascist. I remember last year, Besiktas fans were impressive in that they rooted for their fans but then applauded Tottenham after their win that day. Spurs (especially Bulgarian striker Berbatov) were unusually good but I'd be floored if their fans would have done the same. My understanding is that this enthusiasm did not result in hostile acts against visiting fans.

Besiktas is a nationalist club. In the US, we associate secularism with a neutral stance towards relgion. In Turkey, secularism is tied up with republicanism, egalitarianism, militarism, nationalism, and “Turkishness”. I would not call it fascist.

I remember last year, Besiktas fans were impressive in that they rooted for their fans but then applauded Tottenham after their win that day. Spurs (especially Bulgarian striker Berbatov) were unusually good but I’d be floored if their fans would have done the same.

]]> By: Micah http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/10/31/turkish-fans-go-to-a-political-rally-and-a-soccer-game-breaks-out-2/#comment-4653 Micah Thu, 01 Nov 2007 01:03:13 +0000 http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/10/31/turkish-fans-go-to-a-political-rally-and-a-soccer-game-breaks-out-2/#comment-4653 Great post! Turkey is a fascinating nation and the nationalist stance against the PKK at a Euro qualifier or anywhere is not a suprise. Anyone with an interest in Turkey should read The Turks Today by Andrew Mango. The book looks at the strong nationalist stance of the people among other things. Great post! Turkey is a fascinating nation and the nationalist stance against the PKK at a Euro qualifier or anywhere is not a suprise. Anyone with an interest in Turkey should read The Turks Today by Andrew Mango. The book looks at the strong nationalist stance of the people among other things.

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