Turkish Fans Go to a Political Rally and a Soccer Game Breaks Out
Matches between Turkey and Greece almost always have a political edge to them. The two countries have been historical rivals and continue to feud over the status of the divided island of Cyprus. One would expect, then, that games would become an arena for fans to express grievances toward their Mediterranean neighbors.
When Greece and Turkey faced off in a recent Euro 2008 qualifier, politics hung heavy in the air. But it had nothing to do with Turkish-Greek relations. Instead, the game, played in Istanbul, offered the local fans a venue to air their more recent grievances against the Kurdish PKK group, which recently killed 12 Turkish soldiers.

Turkish fans wave flags before kick-off (photo: Asher Kohn)
I was tipped off to this by Asher Kohn, a student at the University of Maryland, who is spending the semester abroad in Turkey. Asher went to the game (which Greece won 1-0, their first ever victory over Turkey) and sent me this account of what he saw.
Last week I somewhat miraculously scored tickets to the Greece-Turkey game for Euro 08 qualification. It was funny, I really had no clue what to expect. I figured that there would be a lot of good-natured screaming and mocking of Greeks; maybe a “1453!” chant (when the Turks took Constantinople) or something like that. Instead it was an ultra-nationalist atmosphere just this side of a Fascist Rally.
Things are getting fairly nasty in Eastern Turkey/North Iraq right now. A lot of Kurdish separatists are hiding out in Iraq and go across the border, kill a few soldiers, then return to Iraq. Any day now, the Turkish Army is going to go into Iraq. The US is trying to convince them not to, but there’s pretty much no way that’ll happen after 12 soldiers were killed yesterday. I think there was a big battle and 8 or so were killed the day before the Turkey-Greece game.
The stadium holds about 50,000 people, and this game was on TV or radio just about everywhere in Turkey. Everybody has a Turkish flag, I think. And the chants were not friendly, not light-hearted … and not directed at the Greeks. The standard chants were “Fuck the PKK!” and “Martyrs never die, our nation won’t be divided!” The game was actually a protest more than it was a game. No one cared about Greece, they just wanted the Turkish Government to do something about the PKK.
Greece won, 1-0, by the way. It was a fairly boring game. The most interesting part, by far, was the fact that the game was a political weapon, something that really doesn’t have a parallel in the states. I’ve never seen such a huge number of people so devoted to a single political cause. It was a pretty enlightening experience, the sort of thing that really turns on a light bulb in my head: “Oh, so that’s why there are so many problems with the Kurds here.”

Turkish soccer fans display a banner reads that: “Not only 15 we are 70 million Mehmetcik’”referring the 15 Turkish soldiers who were killed by separatist Kurdish rebels (photo: AP/Murad Sezer)

Banners hung by Turkish fans to express their feelings (photo: Asher Kohn)
The political demonstrations at this game seem to have inspired other Turkish soccer fans to let their feelings be known in the stadium. There were similar scenes when Liverpool took on Besiktas last week in the Champions League, as Andy Hunter wrote in the Guardian’s match report.
The setting for Liverpool’s latest ordeal was more akin to a political rally than a Champions League tie between two teams desperate for their first group win. Outside the arena were banners calling for an invasion of northern Iraq and war against the Kurdish rebel organisation, the PKK, and inside a lone bugler sounded a tribute to the Turkish soldiers killed by the group in recent weeks. “This is an important victory for the nation, given the men we have lost in the east,” said the Besiktas coach, Ertugrul Saglam. Amid a sea of Turkish flags one supporter broke forth to plant the national banner in the centre of the pitch, only for the pole to break as it struck the grass. The symbolic failure had no lingering effect on the team or an exuberant crowd, however.

Besiktas fans display a giant Turkish flag with the words “Martyrs never die. This land cannot be divided” written on it (photo: Reuters/Fatih Saribas)
Asher Kohn tells me that Besiktas are the traditional working-class team of Turkey and their stadium, which is across from a park that is the site of nationalist rallies, is covered with political slogans at the moment. Turkish Daily News reporter Çetin Cem Yilmaz also attended the match about Liverpool and wrote about his feelings while inside the stadium.
We entered the stadium and I was simply stunned by the decibel of the fan shouts, though I am familiar with Besiktas. But I was even more impressed by the quiet during the one-minute silence in honor of the 12 slain soldiers’ who were killed last Sunday by the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) militants. The constant playing of nationalist songs in the stadium via the speakers proved that Besiktas fans, too, saw the game as a chance to prove that terrorist attacks cannot bring Turks down.
With the nation’s consciousness overwhelmed by the question of the PKK, it is perhaps not surprising that Turkish soccer fans have expressed their feelings in the country’s stadiums. Politics and soccer often mix in the minds of fans throughout the world (see the 1998 World Cup game between the US and Iran or every game since the Falklands War involving England and Argentina). But it is rare that soccer fans express their feelings as viscerally as have Turkish fans in the past couple of weeks. To paraphrase and misquote Rodney Dangerfield, it’s as if they went to a political rally and a soccer game broke out.
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October 31st, 2007 18:03
Great post! Turkey is a fascinating nation and the nationalist stance against the PKK at a Euro qualifier or anywhere is not a suprise. Anyone with an interest in Turkey should read The Turks Today by Andrew Mango. The book looks at the strong nationalist stance of the people among other things.
October 31st, 2007 18:24
My understanding is that this enthusiasm did not result in hostile acts against visiting fans.
Besiktas is a nationalist club. In the US, we associate secularism with a neutral stance towards relgion. In Turkey, secularism is tied up with republicanism, egalitarianism, militarism, nationalism, and “Turkishness”. I would not call it fascist.
I remember last year, Besiktas fans were impressive in that they rooted for their fans but then applauded Tottenham after their win that day. Spurs (especially Bulgarian striker Berbatov) were unusually good but I’d be floored if their fans would have done the same.
November 1st, 2007 03:48
Asher went to the game (which Greece won 1-0, their first ever victory over Turkey, who had little motivation since they had no chance of qualifying for Euro 2008) and sent me this account of what he saw.
I don’t know where you’ve been getting your information but a quick glance at the Group C standings shows that Turkey, in third place, two points behind Norway, STILL have a good chance of qualifying, albeit needing a win in Oslo in two weeks time. Which means Turkey had every motivation to win the game against Greece.
November 1st, 2007 08:32
seanachie - You are completely right. Thank you for pointing out that mistake, which was made completely by me, not by Asher. I’ve fixed it above.
November 1st, 2007 23:05
This is my first time to your blog and it has very quickly become one of my favorites. That piece about soccer in the Atacama was especially nice. Many thanks the the links to The Other Final and the work of Hans van der Meer. Keep up the quality work.
June 15th, 2008 20:57
I find it amazing how turkish people spin things their way. It may be true that the “PKK” killed 15 turkish soldiers & thats totally wrong but how many kurds have turkey killed??????? I mean come on!! have you people forgotten ataturk & the somewhat 60,000 kurds he murdered (which included kids & pregnant women)???
I dont mean to go political but turkish people just cant see their own crimes yet cry the minute blood is shed from their people. maybe if you stop oppressing the kurds, they can stop attacking you. let them speak their own language & practice their own culture… is it so hard?? karma!!!
September 2nd, 2008 13:56
Dear friends, PKK didnt killed just 15 soldiers. PKK killed 30.000 people includes civilians as engineers, teachers, imams(prayer), public servants… Can you imagine 30.000 people!… In Turkiye(Turkey) everybody can speak any language as the same as US or England or anywhere that possible.. Every people has the same rights. I mean there is no classes of citizens. That means every citizen but everyone… But Kurdish terrorists doesent want anyone to have educated or any cultural thing to have kurdish people. they dont interest about them. they just want to control heroine and weapon trade traffic. The main matter is that. So dont believe any lies of terrorists please… Note for Lisa: The leader who made genocide to kurdish people is Saddam Hussein from Iraq not Ataturk. Please read the objective historians…
At the and, we want peace at home and at the world. And we are proud to be Turkish. We have roots far from Asia for thousands years. We live in peace in anatolia but if needed we may sacrifice all our blood for our holly red flag. You may read example of this at dardanelles wars..