Comments on: Why Cheating is Culture-Specific http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/06/21/why-cheating-is-culture-specific/ Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:01:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: David http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/06/21/why-cheating-is-culture-specific/#comment-931 David Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:51:04 +0000 http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/06/21/why-cheating-is-culture-specific/#comment-931 Brian - That's very true. I know Sid Lowe was talking a lot about 'the suitcase' in Spain on the last couple weeks of the Football Weekly podcast: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/06/11/football_weekly_38.html Also, Phil Ball a column on it at Soccernet: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=432179&root=europe&cc=5739 Brian - That’s very true.

I know Sid Lowe was talking a lot about ‘the suitcase’ in Spain on the last couple weeks of the Football Weekly podcast:

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/06/11/football_weekly_38.html

Also, Phil Ball a column on it at Soccernet:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=432179&root=europe&cc=5739

]]> By: Brian http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/06/21/why-cheating-is-culture-specific/#comment-920 Brian Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:29:14 +0000 http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/06/21/why-cheating-is-culture-specific/#comment-920 On the field cheating is just the tip of the iceberg. It's the behind the scenes stuff that really affects the game. Do you know of any books that talk about how, for instance, 'the suitcase' in La Liga or match-fixing in Italy goes about and the history behind it? There's many others kinds of cheating especially in the Italian and Spanish Leagues that would never be acceptable in England. Thanks for your post. Cheers. On the field cheating is just the tip of the iceberg. It’s the behind the scenes stuff that really affects the game.

Do you know of any books that talk about how, for instance, ‘the suitcase’ in La Liga or match-fixing in Italy goes about and the history behind it?

There’s many others kinds of cheating especially in the Italian and Spanish Leagues that would never be acceptable in England.

Thanks for your post. Cheers.

]]> By: Linda http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/06/21/why-cheating-is-culture-specific/#comment-897 Linda Sat, 23 Jun 2007 02:25:50 +0000 http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/06/21/why-cheating-is-culture-specific/#comment-897 This has come up mostly in Champions League and UEFA Cup clashes and the like. Personally I watch a lot of La Liga and not many Premiership games, so I hardly blink when a player rolls around a bit after being fouled to draw the referee's attention (and neither do the commentators, most of the time), whereas such an action is usually decried by English commentators as 'diving', which I don't agree with. Then again, what constitutes a foul is different from league to league as well, as you pointed out originally, so maybe there is that. A glaring example for me is the flashpoint incident during Chelsea-Barcelona in the 05-06 season, when Leo Messi got Asier del Horno sent off. I didn't interpret it as diving as del Horno went in on him hard, but apparently many English commentators did based on the exaggerated rolling around. This has come up mostly in Champions League and UEFA Cup clashes and the like. Personally I watch a lot of La Liga and not many Premiership games, so I hardly blink when a player rolls around a bit after being fouled to draw the referee’s attention (and neither do the commentators, most of the time), whereas such an action is usually decried by English commentators as ‘diving’, which I don’t agree with.

Then again, what constitutes a foul is different from league to league as well, as you pointed out originally, so maybe there is that.

A glaring example for me is the flashpoint incident during Chelsea-Barcelona in the 05-06 season, when Leo Messi got Asier del Horno sent off. I didn’t interpret it as diving as del Horno went in on him hard, but apparently many English commentators did based on the exaggerated rolling around.

]]> By: David http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/06/21/why-cheating-is-culture-specific/#comment-886 David Fri, 22 Jun 2007 03:43:14 +0000 http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/06/21/why-cheating-is-culture-specific/#comment-886 Linda - I hadn't thought about whether diving differs between countries. It's an interesting idea. Do you have any more specific thoughts on the matter? Linda - I hadn’t thought about whether diving differs between countries. It’s an interesting idea. Do you have any more specific thoughts on the matter?

]]> By: Linda http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/06/21/why-cheating-is-culture-specific/#comment-885 Linda Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:41:02 +0000 http://cultureofsoccer.com/2007/06/21/why-cheating-is-culture-specific/#comment-885 Great post. I have a feeling I'm going to be linking to it a lot, as being someone who follows La Liga and supports Argentina (two instances where hard fouls are seen as a far greater evil than simulation), these arguments come up quite frequently. The very definition of 'diving' seems to differ between leagues as well. Does it only count if the player goes down with minimal or no contact (my definition) or does exaggerated rolling around following an actual foul count too? Great post. I have a feeling I’m going to be linking to it a lot, as being someone who follows La Liga and supports Argentina (two instances where hard fouls are seen as a far greater evil than simulation), these arguments come up quite frequently.

The very definition of ‘diving’ seems to differ between leagues as well. Does it only count if the player goes down with minimal or no contact (my definition) or does exaggerated rolling around following an actual foul count too?

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